West Dayton Business Expanding

[937TrainFan]

Malt Products Corp. of Dayton will be expanding business at its facility, located northwest of downtown Dayton on Wolf Creek Pike, just east of OH 49. The site is located along CSX's west Dayton branch line. This is the 2nd major expansion along this branch in a little over 5 years. Malt Products will be adding more jobs and an increase in the intake/outtake of tankcars. More details will be added as more information becomes present. If anyone knows anymore info, please feel free to share.


On a side note: Anyone who has any idea when CSX runs their Needmore local back into this area would be greatly appreciated

[TrainWatcher]

In the time I was down in Dayton/Vandalia area, I could never figure out the local schedule. NS was much more predictable. Needmore Yard is a very interesting place, but with it's location and Cargill on the North end I wonder how much additional traffic it can handle.

[midland sub]

Needmore should get more interesting with the new horse race track/casino to be built on the former GM plant grounds.

[Huelsy'sTrainBlog]

When I lived in Trotwood I saw the local only twice in 5 years.

[midland sub]

I have a friend that goes to the VA in Dayton and has caught them on Wednesdays if that helps.

[937TrainFan]

Yes, I found out they usually run Wednesday evenings between 7-11pm. The Malt Products is the only shipper on a scheduled basis, but the other industries (the lumber co. and syncreon) are served on an as needed basis. I have no idea if that warehouse just NW west of Malt gets any business (I think this was called Victory Warehouse at some point). Last I heard it was now housing pretzel materials, but when I ran passed it the other day it looked pretty run down and only stored some tractor trailers and containers. Dayton is going through a real interesting phase in business right now, and as the distribution boom around Ohio continues, there could be somewhat of a resurgence around the area. Keeping my fingers crossed

Also, just got word of some kind of tour group that will be taking tours of the Dupps branch in Germantown and of Cargill at needmore yard. Its either some kind of NMRA thing or western Ohio railfan group doing it.

[TrainWatcher]

Yes, I found out they usually run Wednesday evenings between 7-11pm. The Malt Products is the only shipper on a scheduled basis, but the other industries (the lumber co. and syncreon) are served on an as needed basis. I have no idea if that warehouse just NW west of Malt gets any business (I think this was called Victory Warehouse at some point). Last I heard it was now housing pretzel materials, but when I ran passed it the other day it looked pretty run down and only stored some tractor trailers and containers. Dayton is going through a real interesting phase in business right now, and as the distribution boom around Ohio continues, there could be somewhat of a resurgence around the area. Keeping my fingers crossed

Also, just got word of some kind of tour group that will be taking tours of the Dupps branch in Germantown and of Cargill at needmore yard. Its either some kind of NMRA thing or western Ohio railfan group doing it.

Would be nice to ride the Dupps Branch as I believe it is the longest surviving stretch of the CN in Ohio. But considering they only have the 25 tonner I wonder how they can tour it besides hit the few grade crossings.

[937TrainFan]

Yes, I found out they usually run Wednesday evenings between 7-11pm. The Malt Products is the only shipper on a scheduled basis, but the other industries (the lumber co. and syncreon) are served on an as needed basis. I have no idea if that warehouse just NW west of Malt gets any business (I think this was called Victory Warehouse at some point). Last I heard it was now housing pretzel materials, but when I ran passed it the other day it looked pretty run down and only stored some tractor trailers and containers. Dayton is going through a real interesting phase in business right now, and as the distribution boom around Ohio continues, there could be somewhat of a resurgence around the area. Keeping my fingers crossed

Also, just got word of some kind of tour group that will be taking tours of the Dupps branch in Germantown and of Cargill at needmore yard. Its either some kind of NMRA thing or western Ohio railfan group doing it.

Would be nice to ride the Dupps Branch as I believe it is the longest surviving stretch of the CN in Ohio. But considering they only have the 25 tonner I wonder how they can tour it besides hit the few grade crossings.

Yeah its still a mystery to me on how they are going to do the tour. The the group is called Mid Ohio Valley Convention or something like that. I am kind of thinking they will use speeders, because I think the Dupps Company actually owns a large portion of the line, so speeder clearance would be easier than having to go through CSX.

Just on a final update on Malt Products, here is a quote from the city of Dayton's "Bizbites" newsletter:

"Malt Products Corporation will expand its facility near Dayton's Northwest Industrial Park and build a state-of-the-art, 70,000-sq.-ft. malt extract plant, adding 30 or more jobs to its existing local workforce of 35. The company's $26 million investment will double its domestic production capacity of sweeteners used in the baking industry. The City of Dayton is supporting the company's growth through a $400,000 grant provided by the Montgomery County ED/GE program."

More production = more shipments. All in all good news for business.

[midland sub]

I believe you're correct about that being a speeder trip.

[937TrainFan]

I believe you're correct about that being a speeder trip.

If only I could afford a $4,000 speeder. The rich guys have all the fun

[60Tonner]

I believe you're correct about that being a speeder trip.

If only I could afford a $4,000 speeder. The rich guys have all the fun

I am a loooong way from rich but have owned a dozen speeders and a couple hyrails over the last 26 years. No junkers I did all the restorations but because of health reasons they are all gone now.

60Tonner

[937TrainFan]

I believe you're correct about that being a speeder trip.

If only I could afford a $4,000 speeder. The rich guys have all the fun

I am a loooong way from rich but have owned a dozen speeders and a couple hyrails over the last 26 years. No junkers I did all the restorations but because of health reasons they are all gone now.

60Tonner

Yeah that is definitely the way to go. I'd rather build and fix something myself than buy it all new and there already.

[midland sub]

Not showing on the NARCOA schedule yet, but the Greenfield Sub and Jackson lines trips usually seem to get posted on the NARCOA site about a month out.

I wonder what the biggest rail customer in Dayton currently is? I would presume Cargill @ Needmore.

[937TrainFan]

Yeah Cargill is probably the busiest. Never thought I'd be saying that 8 years ago... the GM assembly at Moraine and its peripheral plants in the surrounding area were huge at one time. GM was basically the whole city. But, things change as always

I can never see that Moraine compound sit quiet for long now though,intermodal is such a huge thing now, and with that space and its proximity to all the major interstates, its bound to get someone big in there.

[midland sub]

Indeed it is amazing how much Dayton has changed in the past 10 years with the evolution of GM. Moraine really didn't last long as an assembly plant. It wasn't until the early eighties that they converted the old Frigidaire plant into an assembly plant. The biggest downfall to the plant was the workers decision to strike in 1998 and then failure to switch to UAW from IUE representation. But hey hindsight is twenty-twenty...... I figured the parts plants were really in danger when GM spun off Delphi. I've been working in Dayton in the past several months and I have several patients that retired from GM plants that I had no idea were ever there! Truly amazing how many there were in Dayton. The Air Force base is now the top employer for the region. Last I read there's roughly 14,00o civilian employees at the base. Of course that doesn't count the thousands and thousands of contractors in the area too for the base.

Wonder who the second biggest customer is after Cargill?

[937TrainFan]

Boy, I really can't think of a second busiest, there are just a lot of industries with about the same amount of business as each other. Appleton papers used to be pretty busy, but its less now. There is also Encon Plastics in north Dayton that receives a good amount of shipments. Franklin Iron and Metal on the east side of town also receives a consistent amount of business. And with this new expansion, Malt Products may also be in the running for 2nd busiest.

[TrainWatcher]

If they switched Moraine to an intermodal yard it would only choke I-75 even more. Traffic between Wagner Ford and the Dayton Mall is bad anytime of day. Too cramped, and sharp curves thru downtown.

[midland sub]

I thought Appleton Papers was shuttling down the West Carrolton mill as of last year. Wasn't much going on when I drove by a couple of months ago.

[937TrainFan]

I thought Appleton Papers was shuttling down the West Carrolton mill as of last year. Wasn't much going on when I drove by a couple of months ago.

They will still be operating thermal paper coating operation at West Carrolton. They get some tank cars and box cars every week or so. The box cars loads is what got cut the most since they now buy their uncoated paper from a different company.

As for I-75, yeah that would be a huge problem. Downtown is horrible right now, and anything north of Austin Boulevard in the day hours is gnarly too.

[AARR]

I thought Appleton Papers was shuttling down the West Carrolton mill as of last year. Wasn't much going on when I drove by a couple of months ago.

They will still be operating thermal paper coating operation at West Carrolton. They get some tank cars and box cars every week or so. The box cars loads is what got cut the most since they now buy their uncoated paper from a different company.

Good to hear. Do they still get coal or anything else? It's been a few years (4-5 maybe) but I recall some hopper cars outside their plant.