B&O CPLs on the Toledo Sub.

[Huelsy'sTrainBlog]

Doe anyone know of any that are planned to be replaced soon? The last time I was in Cincinnati it appeared that the one in Wyoming was about to be replaced. Has it been? Any help would be appreciated.

[cbehr91]

Doe anyone know of any that are planned to be replaced soon? The last time I was in Cincinnati it appeared that the one in Wyoming was about to be replaced. Has it been? Any help would be uappreciated.

Yes the CPL at Wyoming has been replaced. Glendale too.

[Huelsy'sTrainBlog]

Doe anyone know of any that are planned to be replaced soon? The last time I was in Cincinnati it appeared that the one in Wyoming was about to be replaced. Has it been? Any help would be uappreciated.

Yes the CPL at Wyoming has been replaced. Glendale too.

Thanks. Are they slowly working their way north?

[CG Tower]

Pockets of CPL signals have already been replaced, mostly between Needmore Yard in Dayton and southward toward Hamilton. Hamilton is in process if being re-signaled, but, it will be a slow process as that junction is pretty complex.

Northward, there is no large scale plan to replace the signals, at least not yet...this from the regional signal manager that I know. Currently, they are doing a lot of survey work for Positive Train Control installations. This however will not effect the signals per se.

With that said, it is only a matter of time...but I think we have at least another year before something large scale happens on the Toledo Sub.

CG Tower

[Huelsy'sTrainBlog]

Thanks! When I lived in Dayton I went to Cincinnati about once a week and besides Hamilton there were very few left. I know nothing here in Piqua looks anywhere close to being replaced. The only one is the southbound signal at North Tipp and the intermediates.

[TrainWatcher]

Sad to hear that Hamilton is going and Glendale is gone. I have some nice shots of the various CPL installations at Hamilton from 2010. Needmore Yard was already down as was pretty much if not all of Dayton proper, all the way to the north end of the Vandalia siding. Tipp City northward was still CPL's.

[Rob81]

I am currently sitting at BE.15 (Glendale) on the Toledo Sub and both CPLs north and southbound are still in full operation. The tower for the new signals have been up since April but the actual signals just arrived a month or two ago. Not sure when the work will be completed.

[TatesPoint]

I am new and learning as I go. What are the CPL being replaced with?

[Y@]

I am new and learning as I go. What are the CPL being replaced with?

New signals.

[BnOEngr]

Railroads are standardizing on a single type of signal system wide to make compatibility easier for the startup of PTC in a couple years.

[DT&I]

I am new and learning as I go. What are the CPL being replaced with?

http://www.rrsignalpix.com/safeofallon.html
Go there, that is what CPL's are being replaced with.

[GenXRailMedia]

..for the startup of PTC in a couple years.

A couple of years in "government time" probably equals about 10-15. The whole PTC project is already in jeopardy, in light of the recent developments regarding tower construction and the ramifications to Native American burial grounds.

[heartlandguy]

and the ramifications to Native American burial grounds.

Ah yes... All of the 565 Native American tribes out west have the right to review whether the antennae for the PTC on BNSF can be built on sacred ground (found the article here: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-2 ... -plan.html). Needless to say, that might delay things a bit.

Anyway, the B&O signals on the CSX Toledo Sub north of Hamilton are indeed pretty safe for at least another year or so.

[Standard Railfan]

I am new and learning as I go. What are the CPL being replaced with?

New signals.

[CSX_CO]

The whole PTC project is already in jeopardy, in light of the recent developments regarding tower construction and the ramifications to Native American burial grounds.

Funny you post this after the accident in New York. PTC isn't going anywhere. Might be delayed until the agreements are worked out, but it will not be cancelled.

Practice Safe CSX

[TatesPoint]

After doing some research, if these fact are correct it seems that "Over a 12-year period, cost analysis determined that the accumulated savings to be realized from all of the accidents was not sufficient to cover the cost of PTC across the Class I railroads." 6 - 22 billion is no small chunk of change. In most cases accidents were addressed through rule changes. Human error seems to be the leading cause of most accidents. Another knee jerk reaction by the federal government.

[Standard Railfan]

After doing some research, if these fact are correct it seems that "Over a 12-year period, cost analysis determined that the accumulated savings to be realized from all of the accidents was not sufficient to cover the cost of PTC across the Class I railroads." 6 - 22 billion is no small chunk of change. In most cases accidents were addressed through rule changes. Human error seems to be the leading cause of most accidents. Another knee jerk reaction by the federal government.

And just what "cost" was assigned to a lost life? The payout made by the railroad/ insurance company? I cannot envision the board meeting where the CEO of BigRail tells the board that they have enough cash set aside to kill 3-4 people per year.

I suggest that you could conduct a similar study of the FRA, OSHA, or EPA regulations and reach the same kind of conclusion. The cost of compliance does not exceed the losses.

There is no financial argument to be made when lives are on the line.

[CSX_CO]

Even if it weren't for PTC, which probably accelerated the project, the B&O CPL's weren't going to last forever. They were rusting out at the bases, and the one at Piqua eventually fell over in a strong wind. Every thing has a service life. If you're truly a fan of 'railroads' you should be taking stock of the fact that the railroads are earning enough money to replace what needs replaced.

Practice Safe CSX

[Huelsy'sTrainBlog]

Even if it weren't for PTC, which probably accelerated the project, the B&O CPL's weren't going to last forever. They were rusting out at the bases, and the one at Piqua eventually fell over in a strong wind. Every thing has a service life. If you're truly a fan of 'railroads' you should be taking stock of the fact that the railroads are earning enough money to replace what needs replaced.

Practice Safe CSX

Do you know what happened to the southbound signal at North Tipp?

[Y@]

They were rusting out at the bases, and the one at Piqua eventually fell over in a strong wind.

It didn't even take a really strong wind, either... As I recall, it was only 25-30 mph.