Pine Junction Railroad Police Bad?
Pine Junction Railroad Police Bad?
Is Pine Junction CSX and NS or CN cops going to come harass you? It is THE busiest rail destination in the entire midwest, and I heard they tightened up security there. I know many people go there without a problem, but anybody ever have trouble there?
Also, what is the best place to park without getting harassed?
Also, what is the best place to park without getting harassed?
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Re: Pine Junction Railroad Police Bad?
Disagree. Plenty of busier places in the city.Tier4GEVO wrote:It is THE busiest rail destination in the entire midwest
You have two options: on the road, or on the side of it. Use your best judgement.Also, what is the best place to park without getting harassed?
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Re: Pine Junction Railroad Police Bad?
What is busier? Please don't say Dolton...railohio wrote:Disagree. Plenty of busier places in the city.Tier4GEVO wrote:It is THE busiest rail destination in the entire midwest
You have two options: on the road, or on the side of it. Use your best judgement.Also, what is the best place to park without getting harassed?
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What's wrong with Dolton?Tier4GEVO wrote:What is busier? Please don't say Dolton...railohio wrote:Disagree. Plenty of busier places in the city.Tier4GEVO wrote:It is THE busiest rail destination in the entire midwest
You have two options: on the road, or on the side of it. Use your best judgement.Also, what is the best place to park without getting harassed?
Re: Pine Junction Railroad Police Bad?
What's wrong with Dolton?[/quote][/quote]
Absolutely nothing, my point is that Pine Junction is busier than Dolton by a tad.
Absolutely nothing, my point is that Pine Junction is busier than Dolton by a tad.
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Re: Pine Junction Railroad Police Bad?
Only when Tad is visiting Pine Junction. Wherever Tad goes it is busier by one Tad.Tier4GEVO wrote:Absolutely nothing, my point is that Pine Junction is busier than Dolton by a tad.
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Re: Pine Junction Railroad Police Bad?
I do not recommend sitting at Pine Junction anymore. Ever since the CN took over the J, it seems everyone down there has become more hostile to railfans. The CSX and CN police will not usually tolerate you being there, even if you're not on their property. There are far more scenic spots with plenty of train action within an hour of Pine.
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Re: Pine Junction Railroad Police Bad?
I understand, but if your just sitting on the side of the road, thats gravel, doesn't the city own that making it public property? I thought once you get by the rocks by the tracks, then it becomes private.SD80MAC wrote:I do not recommend sitting at Pine Junction anymore. Ever since the CN took over the J, it seems everyone down there has become more hostile to railfans. The CSX and CN police will not usually tolerate you being there, even if you're not on their property. There are far more scenic spots with plenty of train action within an hour of Pine.
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Re: Pine Junction Railroad Police Bad?
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Very helpful thread, thanks. However, I'm skeptical, I might just hit Dolton, what the heck.justalurker66 wrote:A Previous Thread:
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I have not visited Pine ... diesels are not my favorite kind of trains. But the place has a long history of railfans being asked to leave. There have to be better places to watch a train.Tier4GEVO wrote:Very helpful thread, thanks. However, I'm skeptical, I might just hit Dolton, what the heck.
Re: Pine Junction Railroad Police Bad?
I'm curious. How can railroad police ask you to leave public property, if you are conducting yourself in a lawful manner, and have a right to be there. What can they do if you refuse to leave and it is public property? They can't very well charge you with trespassing. So what can they do if you refuse to leave and you are on public property. Sorry to belabor the point, but there are simply too many people using 9/11 and terrorism to overstep their authority, from rail cops, to security guards to the Marathon goons.
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Re: Pine Junction Railroad Police Bad?
Define "public property". In the case of Pine Junction all of the property is owned by one entity or another (various railroads, the city, a utility, the DNR) and the east/west property line between tracts is the center of the road. The road exists as a right-of-way that allows access for travel.
Unless more clearly defined (normally in deeds and easements) Indiana road right-of-ways are generally defined as the traveled portion of the road. Park with a tire off of the traveled portion or stand off of the traveled portion of the road and you are not on the right-of-way. Stay on the traveled portion and you will probably have trouble with the truck traffic and complaints about blocking the road.
If you are not traveling the road you lose the right-of-way. Parking and watching trains is not traveling. One might try to stay on the city owned or DNR owned land and claim that is somehow "public property" but one can still trespass on publicly owned land. Being "publicly owned" does not convey an unrestricted right to occupy or use the property.
In Indiana the property does not have to be signed as "no trespassing" ... the police officer telling you to leave is authority enough. (The property owner or agent can also instruct you to leave.) Railroad police are real police even off railroad property. One must comply with the lawful order of a police officer. If one believes the order is not lawful the recourse is to sue the officer.
Your best bet is private property with written permission from the property owner. Or hope that anyone who notices your presence does not fully enforce the letter of the law.
Unless more clearly defined (normally in deeds and easements) Indiana road right-of-ways are generally defined as the traveled portion of the road. Park with a tire off of the traveled portion or stand off of the traveled portion of the road and you are not on the right-of-way. Stay on the traveled portion and you will probably have trouble with the truck traffic and complaints about blocking the road.
If you are not traveling the road you lose the right-of-way. Parking and watching trains is not traveling. One might try to stay on the city owned or DNR owned land and claim that is somehow "public property" but one can still trespass on publicly owned land. Being "publicly owned" does not convey an unrestricted right to occupy or use the property.
In Indiana the property does not have to be signed as "no trespassing" ... the police officer telling you to leave is authority enough. (The property owner or agent can also instruct you to leave.) Railroad police are real police even off railroad property. One must comply with the lawful order of a police officer. If one believes the order is not lawful the recourse is to sue the officer.
Your best bet is private property with written permission from the property owner. Or hope that anyone who notices your presence does not fully enforce the letter of the law.