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KenB wrote: So NS keeps the rights to service big companies, WHAT big companies are on the line? Between Chelsea and Ypsilanti there are no customers and will likley never be.
Oh yes, Chelsea have two companies; Chelsea downtown next Chelsea Milling Co (Jiffy's Mixer) on M-52 and Chelsea Grain (Silos) 11800 Chelsea-Dexter Rd near CP Lake (Four Miles Lake), NS 38J pick/drop grain cover hopper cars to the companies.
And, also, NS B-20 pick/drop Artrain cars and private cars at New Center in Ann Arbor.
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How about charging a toll on the interstates to cover actual costs, e.g. police, signage, maintenance, instead of a government subsidy like we have now. Then we can have a level playing field.

If we as a state could stop sinking our money into that great toilet called Detroit (or Detroilet, as it's been known) and all of it's ills and leeches, we could have a great railroad.

While we rebuilt Europe's railways after WWII, the US turned its back on our own railroads, and instead built the Interstates. We taxed the railroads on existing right of way and structures, and slapped on FRA-mandated speed limits (that aren't even as strict in Canada!).
You should do a little research before you make such statements.

In Michigan your roads are funded by the gas and weight taxes - $0.18 per gallon, not changed for a long time and the "weight" potion is your license plates fees. There is no funding for highways in the Michigan General fund budget. There is a deduct from the motor vehicle taxes for mass transit. The Interstate system, construction and some maintenance is funded by the Federal fuel tax, about $0.40 per gallon. It too has a deduct for mass transit. There's very little federal general fund funding for highways.

For a long time, I though we should de-annex Detroit as well. But you need to realize that as goes Detroit, so goes the state of MI. To most people in the US Detroit is MI. Most people in the US don't know anything about Grand Rapids, Western, Northern or Central Michigan or the UP. We need to make Detroit a vibrant place to be, if it is perceived well, we can attract business to MI. We have a talented workforce but no company is going to be interested if Detroit is perceived to be "Detroitlet" :( Michael Moore's film on Flint didn't do Flint any favors either.

As for the RR's after WWII, you need to read some history. That era was the high point for rail passenger service. Lots of premier trains, the Chief, the 20th Century Limited etc. The I-system wasn't even under construction, so passenger rail was the way to travel. Rail was the way to ship your goods as well. No I-system meant truck transport wasn't very fast either. Railroads were king, they didn't need any government assistance. (Other than Amtrak, they don't need any today either.)

The Interstate was built to allow for the rapid movement of military personnel and equipment just as the Germans' did with the Autobahn. The Cold War was beginning and President Eisehower had the vision to provide the country with a good military defense highway system. The rapid deployment could not be achieved solely by rail. Don't forget the Japanese had the guts to attack Hawaii, why couldn't the Russian's go after California or New York (no satellites in those days)?

And yes the RR's have to pay taxes, so should every other private business. No taxes, you don't get any services that you have come to want and enjoy.

FRA mandated speed limits? They are based on track conditions. You wouldn't want to ride a passenger train at 50 mph on Class 1 track. The limits are set appropriately for track condition to prevent catastrophic loss of life (crew and/or passengers) or equipment & freight.

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Residents discuss the pros, cons of area public transportation

Elizabeth Huff
The Enquirer
(see photos in link)

Belching smoke and blasting its horn, the afternoon Amtrak train rolled into Battle Creek station Sunday covered in soot and a bit later than planned.

An employee said signal problems in Comstock delayed the train. Passengers waiting to board in Battle Creek said they ride Amtrak's Wolverine Service trains between Detroit and Chicago because they are clean inside, comfortable and convenient — but it's best to plan for some tarrying.

"I usually expect it to be 15 minutes late," said Trevor LaFountain, a 23-year-old art student at the University of Michigan. He waited an extra 45 minutes Sunday to board the eastbound No. 352 train back to Ann Arbor.

Currently Amtrak uses rail through Battle Creek owned by Norfolk, Va.-based Norfolk Southern Corp. The Class One railroad announced in July that it intends to pass ownership and maintenance duties of this section stretching between Kalamazoo and Ann Arbor to Pittsburg, Kan.-based Watco Cos. Inc., pending federal approval.

Officials are concerned, however, that the shortline Watco will not be able to keep the section of rail at Amtrak speed standards, causing further delays for riders. Plans to create a high speed corridor commuters can depend on for quick and timely travel could be stalled or derailed entirely.

Carlos Tonsil, 60, of Battle Creek waited for the tardy train with his cousin, who uses Amtrak once every couple months to visit family. He said the longest delays seem to be caused by animals on the tracks or coordination troubles with freight train schedules.

His cousin, 58-year-old Duane Scott of Detroit, said he still prefers trains instead of planes, which are usually more expensive, and buses, which don't allow passengers to get up and walk around. He doesn't particularly like driving, either.

"I don't want to drive by myself through all the craziness," he said, referring to highway travel.

Many people turn to Amtrak for travel to and from Battle Creek; 54,238 passengers boarded and alighted in the Cereal City in fiscal 2006. The number of riders increased from 47,785 in fiscal 2005.

Wendy Slone, a Marshall resident who waited with a paperback in hand for her daughter to arrive after flying in to Chicago, said the trains are often full coming and going through Battle Creek.

"It's always been basically full," she said. "I'm sure a lot of people depend on it."

Watco's chief commercial officer, Ed McKechnie, said his company plans to invest millions into fixing up the rail line over the first few years of ownership, which could reduce delays overall.

Pat Clark, 22, of Novi said he uses Amtrak to visit family in Battle Creek because it keeps the miles off his vehicle and he saves on gasoline. Because he has a car, he doesn't have to bank on trains to travel — he'd be able to drive or take a bus if Amtrak service worsened or stopped altogether.

But for people like LaFountain, who has no car of his own, dependable public transportation is a necessity.

"It's way more reliable that asking a friend to drive," he said.

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"Council OKs ordinance change"
In other business, the council:

Approved a resolution opposing the sale or lease of railroad track from Ypsilanti to Kalamazoo. City officials have opposed the sale of the Norfolk Southern Corp. railroad to short-track operator Watco Cos. Inc., on the premise that the new company would not be able to maintain the railroad to Amtrak standards.

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Cities worried that rail line sale could end Amtrak service
Mayors and managers from cities stretching between Portage and Ann Arbor plan to meet this morning in Battle Creek to discuss the future of passenger rail service in Michigan.
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Article published Sep 18, 2007

Albion City Council opposes rail transfer

Larry O'Connor
For the Enquirer

ALBION — The city is the latest to get on board with other communities opposing a proposed handover of railway lines without safeguards passenger service will be fully maintained.

At Monday's meeting, city council members unanimously passed a resolution against the proposed transaction between Norfolk, Va.-based Norfolk-Southern Corp. and Pittsburg, Kan.-based Watco Cos. Inc. The plan would transfer rail lines running between Ypsilanti and Kalamazoo to newly formed Michigan Central Railroad based in Kalamazoo.

The cities of Battle Creek, Marshall and Saline and Ann Arbor Charter Township already have passed resolutions opposing the sale.

A single track runs through downtown Albion, which serves as an Amtrak stop.

City officials said they are worried the freight operator will not maintain the stretch of railroad to Amtrak standards. A few weeks ago, Albion officials joined others along the railway for a meeting with railroad officials in Battle Creek.

"A gentleman from Watco tried to convince us that when they buy that railroad track — a section of track that goes through every community — there will be no change in service whether passenger or freight," Mayor William Wheaton said. "We all seem to have a problem with that (pledge)."

Officials fear slower freight trains will get preference over passenger rail service. Passenger trains travel up to 79 mph, whereas freight move at about 45 mph.

"In Albion, we only have a single line. So traffic on this line between Detroit and Kalamazoo is particularly heavy," City Manager Mike Herman said. "If Amtrak has to pull over to the side and wait for a slow freight, it can really cause problems with their schedules."

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Federal officials have the final call. The pending sale is before the Federal Surface Transportation Board for consideration.

At the meeting two weeks ago, Wheaton said he tried to get guarantees from Watco official on crossing-arm upgrades. Superior and Albion street crossing arms need repairs, Wheaton said.

"He couldn't give me an answer," the mayor said.

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watco is nothing but bad news and the foolish ns is going along with it.
I used to get paid for doing what all of you like to watch!

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