Person vs Amtrak
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:56 am
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So now the engineer has to live with this, and 140 people were inconvenienced for three hours because of this inconsiderate and selfish jerk.It does "appear to be an intentional act on his part," Sullivan said.
An estimated 40 passengers were delayed on the tracks nearly three hours while Canton police performed a death investigation. Another roughly 100 passengers on a second train were also delayed.
That looks to be the story...J T wrote:So now the engineer has to live with this, and 140 people were inconvenienced for three hours because of this inconsiderate and selfish jerk.It does "appear to be an intentional act on his part," Sullivan said.
An estimated 40 passengers were delayed on the tracks nearly three hours while Canton police performed a death investigation. Another roughly 100 passengers on a second train were also delayed.
My best guess for that Chris, is predictability. Not to rationalize suicide, but it's an in the moment thing. If you are going to utilize a train to kill yourself, passenger trains are ideal. Show up around train time, and there's no time to get cold feet. This is opposed to hoping you can find a fast moving freight along one of the other various Michigan routes when you are in that mindset.ns8401 wrote:I hate to say this but these things seem to come in three's, so this is 2...
A really rough week for 352 specifically, but Amtrak seems to have its fair share of issues along the Michigan Line, sadly lots of these suicides.
I agree about the predictability, and I suppose because it hauls people that makes it that much more of a news item. Every wreck with an Amtrak train also brings an account, I'm not sure the same applies for freights.ConrailMan5 wrote:My best guess for that Chris, is predictability. Not to rationalize suicide, but it's an in the moment thing. If you are going to utilize a train to kill yourself, passenger trains are ideal. Show up around train time, and there's no time to get cold feet. This is opposed to hoping you can find a fast moving freight along one of the other various Michigan routes when you are in that mindset.ns8401 wrote:I hate to say this but these things seem to come in three's, so this is 2...
A really rough week for 352 specifically, but Amtrak seems to have its fair share of issues along the Michigan Line, sadly lots of these suicides.
The MI line goes through more populated areas than the other Michigan amtrak routes, which is the other reason it might seem worse for the MI line.
I was referring more to the population density of SE Michigan. More density = more suicides at least in theoryns8401 wrote:I agree about the predictability, and I suppose because it hauls people that makes it that much more of a news item. Every wreck with an Amtrak train also brings an account, I'm not sure the same applies for freights.ConrailMan5 wrote:My best guess for that Chris, is predictability. Not to rationalize suicide, but it's an in the moment thing. If you are going to utilize a train to kill yourself, passenger trains are ideal. Show up around train time, and there's no time to get cold feet. This is opposed to hoping you can find a fast moving freight along one of the other various Michigan routes when you are in that mindset.ns8401 wrote:I hate to say this but these things seem to come in three's, so this is 2...
A really rough week for 352 specifically, but Amtrak seems to have its fair share of issues along the Michigan Line, sadly lots of these suicides.
The MI line goes through more populated areas than the other Michigan amtrak routes, which is the other reason it might seem worse for the MI line.
It does "appear to be an intentional act on his part," Sullivan said
In the article it states he walked out of a wooded area. Nothing certain, but they stated that it appeared to be intentional in the article, so that's what we have to go off. The track in that area is straight with a Wide ROW and not very much wooded encroachment. Anyone crossing the tracks (assuming they are smart and look both ways) would have good visibility of a train in both directions. Given that it was night, a headlight would be easily visible.NYCMan wrote:How do they know it was a suicide?.
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As far as the train delay (which I believe I read was over 3 hours), was this due to local police "investigating" or waiting for a re-crew? If it was local police, what was needed was for Amtrak or NS Police to take control of the investigation, since the railroad police have primary jurisdiction on railroad property.
Agsin, in the article it states the delay was so that the police could do their investigation. I'm sure crewing time also played a factor as they are based in Pontiac on this end of the line. It is MDOT property, and I believe Amtrak police have taken over jurisdiction Porter-Dearborn. However, they are based in Battle Creek. Either way you have a sizeable delay. I'm not in law enforcement, but I don't see how either NS, Amtrak, or LEO's doing the investigation makes a difference in the delay.At least 150 passengers in two trains were delayed on the tracks nearly three hours while Canton police performed a death investigation. Another roughly 100 passengers on a second train were also delayed.
Right, because no one has ever committed suicide by stepping in front of a train.NYCMan wrote:
One would think that someone hell-bent on suicide would want to go painlessly. Getting whacked by a moving train has got to hurt!
The fire department I'm on responded to this incident. I was in Toronto for a firefighter hockey tournament but I remember talking to the guys when we returned and seeing the photos. Pretty bad.MQT1223 wrote:This reminds me of an incident back in Holly in '09 I think. Guy got into a domestic dispute with his girlfriend and stole her truck, and then went through the Oakland St. Crossing only to take out a gate and miss the train. Goes another 2 miles onto Fish Lake Rd. and drives around traffic to hit the train between the 8 and 9th last cars on the train. Engine compartment was shoved into the cab of the truck and he died on impact. My dad knew him, and he was a railbuff as well. Tragic... I can't imagine the shock of the engineer, knowing he cut a guy down and there was nothing he could do to stop or prevent it.
My Grandma and Great Grandma lived in the big white house between the tracks and the river. They both remember hearing a very big bang when the truck hit, especially my grandma who was outside with the dog. Crossing was closed for sometime during the investigation. My dad like I said knew him. He remembers talking to him when certain things came to town via rail. He was always on top of the stuff. Like he knew when the Chessie Steam Special came to town back in 81 or 82. I showed my dad pictures of 2101 on the Chessie tracks at the Depot and he could remember the guy blabbing about it. I believe the 2101 or the 614 is the last time steam of any kind visit Holly so the picture my buddy found for me I keep very close. I always dreamed of seeing steam go past that depot or through downtown. Eliminate the modern cars and you could easily go back to any decade you wanted with the old and historic buildings downtown.firemedic54 wrote:The fire department I'm on responded to this incident. I was in Toronto for a firefighter hockey tournament but I remember talking to the guys when we returned and seeing the photos. Pretty bad.MQT1223 wrote:This reminds me of an incident back in Holly in '09 I think. Guy got into a domestic dispute with his girlfriend and stole her truck, and then went through the Oakland St. Crossing only to take out a gate and miss the train. Goes another 2 miles onto Fish Lake Rd. and drives around traffic to hit the train between the 8 and 9th last cars on the train. Engine compartment was shoved into the cab of the truck and he died on impact. My dad knew him, and he was a railbuff as well. Tragic... I can't imagine the shock of the engineer, knowing he cut a guy down and there was nothing he could do to stop or prevent it.