Paul W wrote:HESR 702 should be in Durand with-in the hour. Power is 5086/5175 caught them at stone island rd. just out of Bay City around 1pm. Sugar beets are in full swing with 20 loads on the 800 and 5 empties on the 740. The 800 had 3866/3852 for power and the 740 has 2014.
Paul W wrote:HESR 702 should be in Durand with-in the hour. Power is 5086/5175 caught them at stone island rd. just out of Bay City around 1pm. Sugar beets are in full swing with 20 loads on the 800 and 5 empties on the 740. The 800 had 3866/3852 for power and the 740 has 2014.
Where do the beet loads originate and terminate?
Originate in the thumb, cant remember where. Believe they end up at Michigan Sugar in Bay City.
They load them beets in Deckerville and terminate as JDavis said in Bay City. I shot a video of them loading last year but it's shot facing afternoon sun it didn't turn out too well but heres a link.http://youtu.be/2WAC3mckfz4
Paul W wrote:HESR 702 should be in Durand with-in the hour. Power is 5086/5175 caught them at stone island rd. just out of Bay City around 1pm. Sugar beets are in full swing with 20 loads on the 800 and 5 empties on the 740. The 800 had 3866/3852 for power and the 740 has 2014.
I went to downtown Saginaw today (short time at HESR tracks). I saw 800 (near Genesse Ave.) but didn't see the others!!!! Where does 740 run to? Also, what time was it in town where I was? Engine #2014 is one I'd like to see—haven't seen it for a while!!!! Where is that engine usually kept (if anyone knows)? THANX!!!!
Robert Jackson(Extreme Railfan/Bluewater and Michigan Transit Museum member)
The 2014 is usually on the 740 job, based from Wenona Yard in Bay City. They usually depart from Bay City around 11am and spend 3 or 4 hours in Saginaw before returning to Bay City.
GTW6401 wrote:The 2014 is usually on the 740 job, based from Wenona Yard in Bay City. They usually depart from Bay City around 11am and spend 3 or 4 hours in Saginaw before returning to Bay City.
Thank you! I remember seeing that same engine, 2-2002, on the same job! I hope it stays in Central Michgan colors for a while! It's too bad they removed the "Canadian Style Bell" though!!!! Did those guys not like it?
Robert Jackson(Extreme Railfan/Bluewater and Michigan Transit Museum member)
GTW6401 wrote:The 2014 is usually on the 740 job, based from Wenona Yard in Bay City. They usually depart from Bay City around 11am and spend 3 or 4 hours in Saginaw before returning to Bay City.
Thank you! I remember seeing that same engine, 2-2002, on the same job! I hope it stays in Central Michgan colors for a while! It's too bad they removed the "Canadian Style Bell" though!!!! Did those guys not like it?
2014 never had a canadian style bell...unless you're thinking of 9712, which is a Ex CN GP40-2WL.
Evan wrote:2014 never had a canadian style bell...unless you're thinking of 9712, which is a Ex CN GP40-2WL.
I realize this is just a little nit-picky but technically these are designated GP-40-2L's (for lighter than normal weight). However, as you wrote it, I prefer adding the "W"
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Evan wrote:2014 never had a canadian style bell...unless you're thinking of 9712, which is a Ex CN GP40-2WL.
WOW—this would not be considered a "Canadian Style Bell?" What's the difference? I'm well aware of 9712 being a former CN unit though! Here's a shot of a Devco unit (which CMGN 2014 used to be), in NS, Canada (photo by Stephen Reeves) : http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=1996252
AARR wrote:I realize this is just a little nit-picky but technically these are designated GP-40-2L's (for lighter than normal weight). However, as you wrote it, I prefer adding the "W"
This model has been confusing!!!! I make Train Calendars yearly since 1999! In my 2000 edition, I have a photo of a CMGN train departing Durand! It was led by 9712! My caption labels it as a GP40-2L! My next calendar has another shot of 9712! That year I labeled it as a GP40-2W! Diesel Shop lists it as a "GP40-2LW!" I know they don't have 100% acurate info, but what is it?! Diesel Shop's CMGN roster:http://www.thedieselshop.us/CMGN.HTML
Robert Jackson(Extreme Railfan/Bluewater and Michigan Transit Museum member)
Robertrains wrote:This model has been confusing!!!! I make Train Calendars yearly since 1999! In my 2000 edition, I have a photo of a CMGN train departing Durand! It was led by 9712! My caption labels it as a GP40-2L! My next calendar has another shot of 9712! That year I labeled it as a GP40-2W! Diesel Shop lists it as a "GP40-2LW!" I know they don't have 100% acurate info, but what is it?! [/color] Diesel Shop's CMGN roster:http://www.thedieselshop.us/CMGN.HTML
I have the histroy of this engine in my notes but don't have time to look everything up now. If someone does not answer it I will post it later.
PatC created a monster, 'cause nobody wants to see Don Simon no more they want AARR I'm chopped liver, well if you want AARR this is what I'll give ya, bad humor mixed with irrelevant info that'll make you roll your eyes quicker than a ~Z~ banhammer...
Robertrains wrote:This model has been confusing!!!! I make Train Calendars yearly since 1999! In my 2000 edition, I have a photo of a CMGN train departing Durand! It was led by 9712! My caption labels it as a GP40-2L! My next calendar has another shot of 9712! That year I labeled it as a GP40-2W! Diesel Shop lists it as a "GP40-2LW!" I know they don't have 100% acurate info, but what is it?! [/color] Diesel Shop's CMGN roster:http://www.thedieselshop.us/CMGN.HTML
I have the histroy of this engine in my notes but don't have time to look everything up now. If someone does not answer it I will post it later.
I have found my pics of the 9712 on her maiden run in fresh CMGN gloss black paint. This was December of 1997 my wife is going to get me a brand new scanner i will post when i can.
According to The Field Guide To Modern Diesel Locomotives by Greg McDonnell, 2002, the first 233 built were GP40-2L refering to their lighter weight (their frames sit slightly higher than straight 40-2's) and the final 35 (9633-9667) were standard GP40-2's with comfort cabs. But they are officially referred to as GP40-2's and do not use the W. HESR's 9712 is former CN 9654 which is among the final 35 and therefore a straight GP40-2 with comfort cab. However, I prefer adding the W designation like 99.9% of us already do anyway.
PatC created a monster, 'cause nobody wants to see Don Simon no more they want AARR I'm chopped liver, well if you want AARR this is what I'll give ya, bad humor mixed with irrelevant info that'll make you roll your eyes quicker than a ~Z~ banhammer...
AARR wrote:. HESR's 9712 is former CN 9654 which is among the final 35 and therefore a straight GP40-2 with comfort cab. However, I prefer adding the W designation like 99.9% of us already do anyway.
Both Railpictures.net and rrpicturearchives.net show these as "GP40-2LW!!!!" It's hard to figure this out! Whatever the case could be—they are great looking locos!!!!
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Robert Jackson(Extreme Railfan/Bluewater and Michigan Transit Museum member)
AARR wrote:. HESR's 9712 is former CN 9654 which is among the final 35 and therefore a straight GP40-2 with comfort cab. However, I prefer adding the W designation like 99.9% of us already do anyway.
Both Railpictures.net and rrpicturearchives.net show these as "GP40-2LW!!!!" It's hard to figure this out! Whatever the case could be—they are great looking locos!!!!
Back in the late 1990's Diesel Era magazine ran a two part story on these they called them GP40-2LW's They said that the L meant Canadian Leader meaning it could lead and W meant it had a Wide Cab. Im just going by what it said in the Mag not to discredit anybody.
penn central wrote:Back in the late 1990's Diesel Era magazine ran a two part story on these they called them GP40-2LW's They said that the L meant Canadian Leader meaning it could lead and W meant it had a Wide Cab. Im just going by what it said in the Mag not to discredit anybody.
The I-beams on the 233 "L" were built taller and thinner than standard GP40-2's cuasing them to be lighter (Probably not by much) and slightly taller. CN is notorious for having special order units rather than standard ones. In the book I mentioned above they show a picture of a CN "L" unit and regular CN 40-2 and the slight difference in height is apparent.
PatC created a monster, 'cause nobody wants to see Don Simon no more they want AARR I'm chopped liver, well if you want AARR this is what I'll give ya, bad humor mixed with irrelevant info that'll make you roll your eyes quicker than a ~Z~ banhammer...
penn central wrote:Back in the late 1990's Diesel Era magazine ran a two part story on these they called them GP40-2LW's They said that the L meant Canadian Leader meaning it could lead and W meant it had a Wide Cab. Im just going by what it said in the Mag not to discredit anybody.
The I-beams on the 233 "L" were built taller and thinner than standard GP40-2's cuasing them to be lighter (Probably not by much) and slightly taller. CN is notorious for having special order units rather than standard ones. In the book I mentioned above they show a picture of a CN "L" unit and regular CN 40-2 and the slight difference in height is apparent.
Thanks Don it sounds like that field guide you have is a pretty nice book.
