I'm with Mag, that's stretching it. As long as were arbitrarily stretching the definition of 'junction', then why can't we use every movement that passes a particular point? Roosevelt Road is just a bunch of switches in a yard. Heck, the 28 switch at the bottom of the hump at Avon saw 1800 moves yesterday. Its power operated and is where 54 tracks 'meet'. That's a pretty busy 'junction'!MQT3001 wrote: Sure it does. Now, I'm guilty of not being specific I what I was getting at by Roosevelt. I generally refer to Roosevelt as a much larger interlocking than Roosevelt proper, and I take it all the way to the river (I'm not trying to "be right", I really do generally cnsider it all one spaghetti bowl for general identification). All you need is one connection, which we've got more than enough of going from CUS to UP, and there you go.
If it floats your boat, no, Roosevelt Road proper does not meet my definition.
And as far as I'm concerned, each train must be under a different symbol. So your yard goat does not count there.
Roosevelt Roads numbers are surely boosted by the same yard jobs pulling and shoving train sets to/from CUS. Same job makes multiple movements under the same symbol. I'm not saying Roosevelt Road isn't busy, you're just REALLY stretching the 'definition' of a 'Junction' to stay 'right'. I'll have to remember that excuse though: "I am correct because I wasn't specific enough".
Which river are you talking about anyway? The S. Branch at 21st Street? Because there are 3 interlockings between Rosevelt Rd and 21st. "Alton Jct (21st Street), S. Branch Bridge (separate interlocking, and was switch tenders once upon a time), Lumber Street, 16th Street, and then Roosevelt Road.
Anyway, 16th Street is where the CB&Q historically connected into the Chicago Union Station company property, not Roosevelt Rd. That would be where the actual 'junction' is. Roosevelt Road is just the 'remaining' cross street that every one sits on. Polk (also location of the giant PRR Freight House), and Taylor Streets all 'used' to cross over the tracks at CUS. That is why CUS company opted for the distinctive 'domino' signals. The clearances and spacing of the bridges didn't allow traditional three masted semaphores to be seen for any distance. The 'custom designed' domino gave them a 'squat' signal that could be mounted on the side of those bridges (they were mounted to the side of the street bridges not to railroad signal bridges), could give traditional '3 headed' aspects on a single head, and be seen under the bridge before it.
<Incidentally, and totally unrelated, in the opening scenes of "The Dark Knight" the bank robbery was shot in the old portion of the Post Office Building, and the school bus 'leaving', after crashing into the building, is turning east onto Harrison Street. CUS 'trainshed' roof can be seen on the left side of the shot.>
I'm also fairly certain the "UP" doesn't connect to Chicago Union Station property at 16th Street. There may be a physical connection with switches, but I don't think CNW connected to the CUS property directly. Any connection was facilitated by other roads. That was historically B&OCT property, and specifically the St. Charles Air Line. I believe CN controls the St. Charles Air Line, but, last I knew, the Bridge Tender positions were still B&OCT employees.
CNW 'stub ended' at its Wood Street (Potato) Yard. CNW property line ended "at the W. Abutment of the approach to lift bridges" there, it became the "St. Charles Air Line Company" east of that point,and the connection with the IC. B&OCT had a "Robey Street Yard" along the north side of Wood Street. All this property turned into Global One, and the St. Charles Air Line is the much sought property that used to connect the B&OCT with the passenger terminal just east of the Chicago River. CNW system track maps show no connection to the CUS property on them, any connection made was via the CB&Q and via 16th St. Historically, anything bound for the PRR from the CNW would either use the Panhandle via California Ave connection (59th Street and 55th via Englewood Connecting), or the joint North Approach via Western Ave, run down the 'by pass' tracks through CUS, then south (east) on the PRR at 21st Street (merchandise moves for the freight houses around CUS, and interchange at 55th Street Yard).
Also, not sure where you're getting the 'L' at Roosevelt Rd? It doesn't come withing 3 blocks of the Chicago Union Station property on Roosevelt Rd. Its over under/along State Street, east of where the B&O Grand Central, LaSalle Street Station, and Dearborn Stations are/were.
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