Conrail Train Location Updates 2020
-
- Railroadfan...fan
- Posts: 6015
- Joined: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:04 pm
- Location: Detroit
Conrail Train Location Updates 2020
LV-40 returing to Livernois from North Yard with 17 cars.
-
- Railroadfan...fan
- Posts: 6015
- Joined: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:04 pm
- Location: Detroit
Re: Conrail Train Location Updates 2019
Delray Tower giving LV-40 a signal to leave Rougemere.
CP 244 lined the wrong way onto the wye at Scotten and needs to backup 550 feet to go the correct way towards the Tunnel.
CP 244 lined the wrong way onto the wye at Scotten and needs to backup 550 feet to go the correct way towards the Tunnel.
-
- Railroadfan...fan
- Posts: 6015
- Joined: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:04 pm
- Location: Detroit
Re: Conrail Train Location Updates 2019
NY-79 is at Forest Lawn, retuning to North Yard.
-
- Railroadfan...fan
- Posts: 6015
- Joined: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:04 pm
- Location: Detroit
Re: Conrail Train Location Updates 2019
LV-9, NS 5018 shoving back to Livernois with 2 cars from Kenwal Steel.
-
- Railroadfan...fan
- Posts: 532
- Joined: Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:01 pm
- Location: All over Southeast Michigan
Re: Conrail Train Location Updates 2019
CSX calls this train Z673. I wish CSX would use Conrail's symbols.ConrailDetroit wrote:LV-9, NS 5018 shoving back to Livernois with 2 cars from Kenwal Steel.
Edit to add at 5:40 PM: Z673 did not go directly back to Livernois today. It just asked permission back on to CSX trackage at P Company with 6 cars, which means it had been working the Highland Park Industrial Track.
Amateur railfan trying to become a real railfan since 2017.
- AARR
- Incognito and Irrelevant
- Posts: 38840
- Joined: Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:39 pm
- Location: Washington, MI
Re: Conrail Train Location Updates 2019
The Highland Park Industrial Track no longer goes to Highland Park and hasn't for a very long time. CR, please change the name of this branch
.
![Laughing :lol:](https://mail.railroadfan.com/phpbb/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
blueheron13 wrote:Edit to add at 5:40 PM: Z673 did not go directly back to Livernois today. It just asked permission back on to CSX trackage at P Company with 6 cars, which means it had been working the Highland Park Industrial Track.
PatC created a monster, 'cause nobody wants to see Don Simon no more they want AARR I'm chopped liver, well if you want AARR this is what I'll give ya, bad humor mixed with irrelevant info that'll make you roll your eyes quicker than a ~Z~ banhammer...
-
- Railroadfan...fan
- Posts: 6015
- Joined: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:04 pm
- Location: Detroit
Re: Conrail Train Location Updates 2019
More commonly known as the Terminal West, although Detroit Terminal has been gone since 1984.AARR wrote:The Highland Park Industrial Track no longer goes to Highland Park and hasn't for a very long time. CR, please change the name of this branch.
blueheron13 wrote:Edit to add at 5:40 PM: Z673 did not go directly back to Livernois today. It just asked permission back on to CSX trackage at P Company with 6 cars, which means it had been working the Highland Park Industrial Track.
Are we sure Z673 is not Conrail LV-4?
-
- Railroadfan...fan
- Posts: 532
- Joined: Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:01 pm
- Location: All over Southeast Michigan
Re: Conrail Train Location Updates 2019
The track at P Company is the Highland Park IT. The track to Dearborn Steel and Kenwal Steel is one of the remnants of the Terminal West, the other being the part that ends west of Mound near North Yard.ConrailDetroit wrote:More commonly known as the Terminal West, although Detroit Terminal has been gone since 1984.AARR wrote:The Highland Park Industrial Track no longer goes to Highland Park and hasn't for a very long time. CR, please change the name of this branch.
blueheron13 wrote:Edit to add at 5:40 PM: Z673 did not go directly back to Livernois today. It just asked permission back on to CSX trackage at P Company with 6 cars, which means it had been working the Highland Park Industrial Track.
Are we sure Z673 is not Conrail LV-4?
I really don't know which Conrail job it is these days that CSX calls Z673. I just know that every time a train calls the CSX dispatcher to open or report locked the track to Dearborn and Kenwal, CSX identifies them as Z673. I do hear an LV-4 talking to the Conrail dispatcher but they are always by someplace called the Brickyard, whatever that might be.
Amateur railfan trying to become a real railfan since 2017.
Re: Conrail Train Location Updates 2020
The brickyard is along John Kronk west of Lonyo.
-
- Railroadfan...fan
- Posts: 6015
- Joined: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:04 pm
- Location: Detroit
Re: Conrail Train Location Updates 2020
Here is some necessary education:GTW6401 wrote:The brickyard is along John Kronk west of Lonyo.
The Brick Yard is not a place that receives and unloads brick. (But, would like to know where the name comes from as very confusing from a foamer perspective).
The Brick Yard is the name of the track configuration that runs closest to John Kronk where Ferrous and the other former/ dormant industries are switched from. Cabot St Warehouse; their spur is / was blocked by concrete blocks, MNP; does not look they have received cars in years, Hermes Automotive?. Ferrous is the only industry that appears to be switched regularly. So, when LV-4 says they are going to work the Brick Yard, the foamer translation is they are going to switch Ferrous.
- Standard Railfan
- Railroadfan...fan
- Posts: 1817
- Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:25 pm
- Location: Marquette, MI
Re: Conrail Train Location Updates 2020
[quote="ConrailDetroit"
Here is some necessary education:
The Brick Yard is not a place that receives and unloads brick. (But, would like to know where the name comes from as very confusing from a foamer perspective. [/quote]
Some additional education. In the late 19th century Springwells township was a center for brick making. According to the web site Old-Delray.com Andrew Lonyo owned a brick yard at the northeast corner of Lonyo and the Michigan Central RR. I believe this business gave the name Brickyard to the railroad and Lonyo to the street.
Here is some necessary education:
The Brick Yard is not a place that receives and unloads brick. (But, would like to know where the name comes from as very confusing from a foamer perspective. [/quote]
Some additional education. In the late 19th century Springwells township was a center for brick making. According to the web site Old-Delray.com Andrew Lonyo owned a brick yard at the northeast corner of Lonyo and the Michigan Central RR. I believe this business gave the name Brickyard to the railroad and Lonyo to the street.
-
- Railroadfan...fan
- Posts: 4286
- Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:33 pm
- Contact:
Re: Conrail Train Location Updates 2020
Here is some more historical stuff regarding this stream.
What someone called the Highland Park Branch or something like that above is the former PRR line that came from Toledo into Detroit in the 1920's (via PM, yes PM back then). Based out of Lincoln Yard in Lincoln Park, PRR had its own track between there and Carlton. I think it was actually a subsidiary of PRR named the Pennsylvania and Detroit RR. Then after running over Wabash/NS to Delray Tower and along the west wye onto PM/CSX then through Rougemere yard, at P Company Junction it had its own track north a few miles then east to Highland Park to reach the Ford Highland Park Plant, which was pretty much replaced when Ford built the Rouge Plant around that time. It had to cross the Detroit Terminal railroad at Livernois to reach it and DTRR put up a big legal battle, which it lost. It ran the last few miles east parallel to DTRR's tracks on a rather wide right-of-way corridor. Up to then DTRR was the sole provider of rail service to Ford HP and switched it 24 hours a day and had something like 20 crews assigned there a day.
At some point this Highland Park Branch became the West Detroit Branch of the Union Belt of Detroit RR, which was owned by Wabash, PM/C&O and maybe one more railroad. GTW and NYC/PC/Conrail jointly owned the DTRR. By the way, I think DTRR stopped being independent in 1982, not 1984, when GTW sold its half interest to Conrail to generate funds to purchase DTSL. Conrail operated the entire DTRR for a few years before cutting out most of its western half from Davison yard to Dearborn. CR switched what was left of its western half by rebuilding a connection track at Kronk and Miller Road to access it. This is what it still uses to switch that one or two steel mills located near there on the former DTRR tracks. As you know, pretty much the entire Eastern half of the former DTRR is still in service and busy as the Jefferson Jeep plant is at its far end along with some other industries along its way.
CR or CSX or NS still switches the north/south portion of the old West Detroit Branch as there a plenty of industries there, mostly chemical ones last time I looked. There may be one more active industry it switches where the line veers east then it ends.
Any corrections or comments to the above are appreciated.
What someone called the Highland Park Branch or something like that above is the former PRR line that came from Toledo into Detroit in the 1920's (via PM, yes PM back then). Based out of Lincoln Yard in Lincoln Park, PRR had its own track between there and Carlton. I think it was actually a subsidiary of PRR named the Pennsylvania and Detroit RR. Then after running over Wabash/NS to Delray Tower and along the west wye onto PM/CSX then through Rougemere yard, at P Company Junction it had its own track north a few miles then east to Highland Park to reach the Ford Highland Park Plant, which was pretty much replaced when Ford built the Rouge Plant around that time. It had to cross the Detroit Terminal railroad at Livernois to reach it and DTRR put up a big legal battle, which it lost. It ran the last few miles east parallel to DTRR's tracks on a rather wide right-of-way corridor. Up to then DTRR was the sole provider of rail service to Ford HP and switched it 24 hours a day and had something like 20 crews assigned there a day.
At some point this Highland Park Branch became the West Detroit Branch of the Union Belt of Detroit RR, which was owned by Wabash, PM/C&O and maybe one more railroad. GTW and NYC/PC/Conrail jointly owned the DTRR. By the way, I think DTRR stopped being independent in 1982, not 1984, when GTW sold its half interest to Conrail to generate funds to purchase DTSL. Conrail operated the entire DTRR for a few years before cutting out most of its western half from Davison yard to Dearborn. CR switched what was left of its western half by rebuilding a connection track at Kronk and Miller Road to access it. This is what it still uses to switch that one or two steel mills located near there on the former DTRR tracks. As you know, pretty much the entire Eastern half of the former DTRR is still in service and busy as the Jefferson Jeep plant is at its far end along with some other industries along its way.
CR or CSX or NS still switches the north/south portion of the old West Detroit Branch as there a plenty of industries there, mostly chemical ones last time I looked. There may be one more active industry it switches where the line veers east then it ends.
Any corrections or comments to the above are appreciated.
- AARR
- Incognito and Irrelevant
- Posts: 38840
- Joined: Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:39 pm
- Location: Washington, MI
Re: Conrail Train Location Updates 2020
Good information Manistique. CR switches the branch that connects at P Company Jct. and the active customer is a cramped and dumpy brick yard.
Manistique wrote:CR or CSX or NS still switches the north/south portion of the old West Detroit Branch as there a plenty of industries there, mostly chemical ones last time I looked. There may be one more active industry it switches where the line veers east then it ends.
PatC created a monster, 'cause nobody wants to see Don Simon no more they want AARR I'm chopped liver, well if you want AARR this is what I'll give ya, bad humor mixed with irrelevant info that'll make you roll your eyes quicker than a ~Z~ banhammer...
- Standard Railfan
- Railroadfan...fan
- Posts: 1817
- Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:25 pm
- Location: Marquette, MI
Re: Conrail Train Location Updates 2020
The Union Belt of Detroit was not really a legal entity. The UBD acted as agent for the PRR, PM/C&O, and Wabash. The UBD was unincorporated, had no locomotives, equipment, track or other investments.Manistique wrote:Here is some more historical stuff regarding this stream.
At some point this Highland Park Branch became the West Detroit Branch of the Union Belt of Detroit RR, which was owned by Wabash, PM/C&O and maybe one more railroad.
Locomotives and crews were supplied by each of the three railroads based on the number of cars switched for each road. IIRC each railroad took turns operating on a three month schedule.
The PRR owned the Highland Park/ West Detroit branch track and the track that ran adjacent to the DTRR north from the PM at Miller Road. Wabash and PM owned the connecting tracks and lines in the Delray area and along the Detroit river which UBD used.
The last operating agreement I can identified was executed in 1958 for a period of 5 years with automatic renewal. Any of the three parties could disolve the agreement with 6 months notice. I am not sure how ownership was affected after the consolidations started in the 1960s.
-
- Railroadfan...fan
- Posts: 6015
- Joined: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:04 pm
- Location: Detroit
Re: Conrail Train Location Updates 2020
To cause even more confusion, the Brick Yard that AARR is referring to is Friendship Materials.AARR wrote:Good information Manistique. CR switches the branch that connects at P Company Jct. and the active customer is a cramped and dumpy brick yard.Manistique wrote:CR or CSX or NS still switches the north/south portion of the old West Detroit Branch as there a plenty of industries there, mostly chemical ones last time I looked. There may be one more active industry it switches where the line veers east then it ends.
There is / was also Best Block on Chicago and their spur still has the switch is still in place
LV-4 will switch these Brick Yards. But when they say they are going to work the Brick Yard, they are going to work the Scrap Yard on John Kronk.
-
- Railroadfan...fan
- Posts: 6015
- Joined: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:04 pm
- Location: Detroit
Re: Conrail Train Location Updates 2020
What appears to be a NS 176 had been stopped at Woodward for over 24 hours.
- AARR
- Incognito and Irrelevant
- Posts: 38840
- Joined: Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:39 pm
- Location: Washington, MI
Re: Conrail Train Location Updates 2020
Northbound auto rack on Junction Secondary. If my memory is correct, and it fails me more often as I get older, this is first train I’ve seen on this segment. ![Cool 8)](https://mail.railroadfan.com/phpbb/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif)
![Cool 8)](https://mail.railroadfan.com/phpbb/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif)
PatC created a monster, 'cause nobody wants to see Don Simon no more they want AARR I'm chopped liver, well if you want AARR this is what I'll give ya, bad humor mixed with irrelevant info that'll make you roll your eyes quicker than a ~Z~ banhammer...
- AARR
- Incognito and Irrelevant
- Posts: 38840
- Joined: Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:39 pm
- Location: Washington, MI
Re: Conrail Train Location Updates 2020
Something is moving in Sterling Yard. I don’t have a visual. My guess is it sounds like it’s departing south.
PatC created a monster, 'cause nobody wants to see Don Simon no more they want AARR I'm chopped liver, well if you want AARR this is what I'll give ya, bad humor mixed with irrelevant info that'll make you roll your eyes quicker than a ~Z~ banhammer...
-
- Railroadfan...fan
- Posts: 2053
- Joined: Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:13 pm
- Location: Roseville, Michigan!!!!
Re: Conrail Train Location Updates 2020─CofG "Heritage!!!!"
Well, the Central of Georgia® "Heritage Unit" NS ES44AC #8101 led north to Sterling Yard yesterday, Tues. March 24 on Train 27N!!!!
On, "Heritage Units" website, by Black Sabbath, mentions "Leaves on 121 tomorrow as the trailing unit." Now, is this a morning train that heads south out of Sterling Yard?" I have noticed online that a morning train leaves around 9:00 a.m. Would this be that train?
Please help this morning─I can easily get to the "Sterling Secondary" quick!!!! It would be great catching this "Heritage Unit!!!!" "Heritage Units" NS 8101 direct link: https://heritageunits.com/locomotive/detail/NS8101
![Mr. Green :mrgreen:](https://mail.railroadfan.com/phpbb/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)
![Very Happy :D](https://mail.railroadfan.com/phpbb/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
![Very Happy :D](https://mail.railroadfan.com/phpbb/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
![Mr. Green :mrgreen:](https://mail.railroadfan.com/phpbb/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)
![Question :?:](https://mail.railroadfan.com/phpbb/images/smilies/icon_question.gif)
Robert Jackson (Extreme Railfan/Bluewater and Michigan Transit Museum member)
http://cooltrains.rrpicturearchives.net/
http://cooltrains.rrpicturearchives.net/
-
- Railroadfan...fan
- Posts: 2053
- Joined: Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:13 pm
- Location: Roseville, Michigan!!!!
Re: Conrail Train Location Updates 2020─CofG "Heritage!!!!"
Alright, I went to "Sterling Yard" to look for Central of Georgia® "Heritage Unit" NS ES44AC #8101!!!! It was uncoupled from NS SD70ACe #1008! Soon that unit coupled to CofG #8101!!!! This was around 9:15 a.m. I then photographed train 121 working from 16 Mile service drive crossing! Soon it departed Sterling Yard!!!! Then we beat it to the Red Run crossing, Warren, around 9:53 a.m. It had 11 cars!!!!Robertrains wrote:Well, the Central of Georgia® "Heritage Unit" NS ES44AC #8101 led north to Sterling Yard yesterday, Tues. March 24 on Train 27N!!!!![]()
![]()
On, "Heritage Units" website, by Black Sabbath, mentions "Leaves on 121 tomorrow as the trailing unit." Now, is this a morning train that heads south out of Sterling Yard?" I have noticed online that a morning train leaves around 9:00 a.m. Would this be that train?
Please help this morning─I can easily get to the "Sterling Secondary" quick!!!! It would be great catching this "Heritage Unit!!!!" "Heritage Units" NS 8101 direct link: https://heritageunits.com/locomotive/detail/NS8101
![Mr. Green :mrgreen:](https://mail.railroadfan.com/phpbb/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)
Monday's post by Burb8145:
Burb8145 wrote:» Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:49 pm
NS 8101 (Central of Georgia HU ES44AC) is leading 27N. It should be on the Detroit Line sometime tomorrow.
Robert Jackson (Extreme Railfan/Bluewater and Michigan Transit Museum member)
http://cooltrains.rrpicturearchives.net/
http://cooltrains.rrpicturearchives.net/