Holly Sub Train Symbols
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Holly Sub Train Symbols
So I figured up all the train symbols that run the holly sub I got 14 total I wanna know if thats correct?
CN Q119-61
CN Q189-61
CN Q190-51
CN A450-61
CN E251-61
CN E280-91
CN E296-71
CN L507-61
CN L508-61
CN M371-61
CN Q116-91
CN S756-81
AMTK 364
AMTK 365
Do those train symbols sound correct? Not all are daily I belive the Holly Sub averages 5-8 trains daily
CN Q119-61
CN Q189-61
CN Q190-51
CN A450-61
CN E251-61
CN E280-91
CN E296-71
CN L507-61
CN L508-61
CN M371-61
CN Q116-91
CN S756-81
AMTK 364
AMTK 365
Do those train symbols sound correct? Not all are daily I belive the Holly Sub averages 5-8 trains daily
Re: Holly Sub Train Symbols
More incorrect and outdated information.
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Re: Holly Sub Train Symbols
Stop. Just stop. I don’t know who/what your sources are, or if you’re just guessing, but it’s getting annoying.
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Re: Holly Sub Train Symbols
The only daily trains on the Holly are Q116, E251, L508, L507, and whatever the Pontiac job’s symbol is these days.
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Re: Holly Sub Train Symbols
David Collins wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:09 pmStop. Just stop. I don’t know who/what your sources are, or if you’re just guessing, but it’s getting annoying.
Maybe the Flint and South Bend sub was a little excessive but this one I am actually being serious isnt 5-8 trains daily correct??
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Re: Holly Sub Train Symbols
Yeah, it's as SD80MAC specified.NickThatRailfan wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:03 amMaybe the Flint and South Bend sub was a little excessive but this one I am actually being serious isnt 5-8 trains daily correct??
Occasionally, you get an S756 which is a unit sand train, and sometimes an X491. Neither daily and S756 can be more scarce/seasonal, but adds to the traffic at times. X491 (if not for whatever reason X251) are ordered if there's a crew to proceed with freight that's requested to be taken.
Amtrak-wise, there's P350-P352-P354 and P351-P353-P355. (I don't know if all 6 are actively running though or just a few). These go between Chicago and Pontiac. Even number to Pontiac, odd number to Chicago. There's no AMTK route between Pontiac/Durand.
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Re: Holly Sub Train Symbols
Is CN still operating a coke train between Flat Rock (Ecorse or Zug Island) and one of the steel mills east of Chicago?
bluewonderrails wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:28 amYeah, it's as SD80MAC specified.
Occasionally, you get an S756 which is a unit sand train, and sometimes an X491. Neither daily and S756 can be more scarce/seasonal, but adds to the traffic at times. X491 (if not for whatever reason X251) are ordered if there's a crew to proceed with freight that's requested to be taken.
Amtrak-wise, there's P350-P352-P354 and P351-P353-P355. (I don't know if all 6 are actively running though or just a few). These go between Chicago and Pontiac. Even number to Pontiac, odd number to Chicago. There's no AMTK route between Pontiac/Durand.
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Re: Holly Sub Train Symbols
Ah yeah forgot of the coke train. I believe they are as I've seen one or a couple at least in the last month or two. I've mainly only ever found them (while not trying to) on the Fort St cam searching for the day's E251 when I find out about it, but don't do that too often personally. I don't know the symbol for it either
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Re: Holly Sub Train Symbols
An average day would have 251/116/507/508 on the wholeNickThatRailfan wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:03 amDavid Collins wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:09 pmStop. Just stop. I don’t know who/what your sources are, or if you’re just guessing, but it’s getting annoying.
Maybe the Flint and South Bend sub was a little excessive but this one I am actually being serious isnt 5-8 trains daily correct??
515/514 and wolverine x6 south of Pontiac
Re: Holly Sub Train Symbols
Technically wouldn't the GLC run from Durand to Pitt Jct be on the Holly Sub as well? Does this get a CN train symbol while running over the Holly Sub.
Re: Holly Sub Train Symbols
That was L575, which runs downriver from Ecorse to Dearborn via Flat Rock. Any coke moving on the Holly isn't in unit trains.bluewonderrails wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:20 amAh yeah forgot of the coke train. I believe they are as I've seen one or a couple at least in the last month or two. I've mainly only ever found them (while not trying to) on the Fort St cam searching for the day's E251 when I find out about it, but don't do that too often personally. I don't know the symbol for it either
Also, no 514 anymore to Moterm. 507 and 508 move the intermodal to/from Flint.
Another extra symbol is M356 to Flat Rock. Those run very sporadicity.
L513 is the evening Pontiac yard job. They also work the customers on the subdivision. L515 is the morning job that works from Pontiac down onto the Mt. Clemens Subdivision.
Re: Holly Sub Train Symbols
I’ve seen it a handful of times parked in Flat Rock over the last 6 months or so. Caught it once leaving Woodhaven towards Dearborn on the Dearborn line.AARR wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:47 amIs CN still operating a coke train between Flat Rock (Ecorse or Zug Island) and one of the steel mills east of Chicago?bluewonderrails wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:28 amYeah, it's as SD80MAC specified.
Occasionally, you get an S756 which is a unit sand train, and sometimes an X491. Neither daily and S756 can be more scarce/seasonal, but adds to the traffic at times. X491 (if not for whatever reason X251) are ordered if there's a crew to proceed with freight that's requested to be taken.
Amtrak-wise, there's P350-P352-P354 and P351-P353-P355. (I don't know if all 6 are actively running though or just a few). These go between Chicago and Pontiac. Even number to Pontiac, odd number to Chicago. There's no AMTK route between Pontiac/Durand.
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Re: Holly Sub Train Symbols
Chip, the one you saw going from Woodhaven toward Dearborn on the Dearborn Line is a shuttle train between the coke plant (Ecorse or Zug Island) and the steel mill in Dearborn. It's surprising CN would handle such a short run.Chip wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 5:24 pm
Is CN still operating a coke train between Flat Rock (Ecorse or Zug Island) and one of the steel mills east of Chicago?
I’ve seen it a handful of times parked in Flat Rock over the last 6 months or so. Caught it once leaving Woodhaven towards Dearborn on the Dearborn line.
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It’s also surprising they would use a single 6-axle loco on that line when they typically use 4 axle power.AARR wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:28 pmChip, the one you saw going from Woodhaven toward Dearborn on the Dearborn Line is a shuttle train between the coke plant (Ecorse or Zug Island) and the steel mill in Dearborn. It's surprising CN would handle such a short run.Chip wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 5:24 pm
Is CN still operating a coke train between Flat Rock (Ecorse or Zug Island) and one of the steel mills east of Chicago?
I’ve seen it a handful of times parked in Flat Rock over the last 6 months or so. Caught it once leaving Woodhaven towards Dearborn on the Dearborn line.
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Re: Holly Sub Train Symbols
CN doesn't have enough 4 axles to use them on every job that should really be using them, unfortunately.Chip wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:24 pmIt’s also surprising they would use a single 6-axle loco on that line when they typically use 4 axle power.AARR wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:28 pmChip, the one you saw going from Woodhaven toward Dearborn on the Dearborn Line is a shuttle train between the coke plant (Ecorse or Zug Island) and the steel mill in Dearborn. It's surprising CN would handle such a short run.Chip wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 5:24 pm
Is CN still operating a coke train between Flat Rock (Ecorse or Zug Island) and one of the steel mills east of Chicago?
I’ve seen it a handful of times parked in Flat Rock over the last 6 months or so. Caught it once leaving Woodhaven towards Dearborn on the Dearborn line.
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Re: Holly Sub Train Symbols
Have they gone on a scrapping or selling spree lately? They used to always have a bunch of geeps in Flat Rock for local jobs beyond the pair used for yard duty.
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Re: Holly Sub Train Symbols
CN Q119-61 - Northbound Extra Intermodal out of Moterm that turns Westbound at Durand. There were a few of these symbols last year, but haven't seen/heard of one in a while.
CN Q189-61 - Northbound Extra Intermodal out of Moterm that turns Westbound at Durand. There were a few of these symbols last year, but haven't seen/heard of one in a while. I think this one goes way out somewhere in Western Canada, but someone would have to verify.
CN Q190-51 - Not familiar with this symbol at all, and does not run on the Holly Sub.
CN A450-61 - Old Symbol that does not run anymore.
CN E251-61 - Northbound Daily Train out of Flatrock that turns Westbound at Durand. Once and a while we will see an X-251 as well.
CN E280-91 - Southbound Autorack train that runs as needed for down to Flatrock. There have been a few times that we had 2 - 280s in one day, but that's rare.
CN E296-71 - Only saw/heard this symbol a few times in the past as an extra Southbound manifest.
CN M356 - This is the most common extra Southbound Manifest, runs as needed only.
CN 491 or X491 - This is the most common extra Northbound Manifest, runs as needed only.
CN L507-61 - Daily Northbound Pontiac to Flint/Moterm
CN L508-61 - Daily Southbound Flint back to Pontiac/Moterm
CN M371-61 - Westbound M371 used to run years ago on the Flint and Southbend Subs. This is not a current symbol anywhere in Michigan that I am aware of.
CN Q116-91 - Daily Intermodal/Autorack train from Chicago to Moterm/Flat Rock
CN S756-81 - Southbound Sand Train that runs only once and a while. There were several of these trains rather semi-frequently last year, but have only been a few in 2023.
AMTK 364 - Flint and Southbend Subs only (Chicago to Pt. Huron)
AMTK 365 - Flint and Southbend Subs only (Pt. Huron to Chicago)
CN Q189-61 - Northbound Extra Intermodal out of Moterm that turns Westbound at Durand. There were a few of these symbols last year, but haven't seen/heard of one in a while. I think this one goes way out somewhere in Western Canada, but someone would have to verify.
CN Q190-51 - Not familiar with this symbol at all, and does not run on the Holly Sub.
CN A450-61 - Old Symbol that does not run anymore.
CN E251-61 - Northbound Daily Train out of Flatrock that turns Westbound at Durand. Once and a while we will see an X-251 as well.
CN E280-91 - Southbound Autorack train that runs as needed for down to Flatrock. There have been a few times that we had 2 - 280s in one day, but that's rare.
CN E296-71 - Only saw/heard this symbol a few times in the past as an extra Southbound manifest.
CN M356 - This is the most common extra Southbound Manifest, runs as needed only.
CN 491 or X491 - This is the most common extra Northbound Manifest, runs as needed only.
CN L507-61 - Daily Northbound Pontiac to Flint/Moterm
CN L508-61 - Daily Southbound Flint back to Pontiac/Moterm
CN M371-61 - Westbound M371 used to run years ago on the Flint and Southbend Subs. This is not a current symbol anywhere in Michigan that I am aware of.
CN Q116-91 - Daily Intermodal/Autorack train from Chicago to Moterm/Flat Rock
CN S756-81 - Southbound Sand Train that runs only once and a while. There were several of these trains rather semi-frequently last year, but have only been a few in 2023.
AMTK 364 - Flint and Southbend Subs only (Chicago to Pt. Huron)
AMTK 365 - Flint and Southbend Subs only (Pt. Huron to Chicago)