Hamilton Northwestern Railroad Co.
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Who is talking about the owners or customers of the RR??? The pic was posted, and we all thought that this was a new customer, or commodity being delivered to. SOMEBODY posted the pic--- so maybe now pics have to be cleared to determine what's printable, or not. If it is a big secret, then don't post the pic. If the pic gets posted, then be prepared to answer a question about it.
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Right on Joeyuboats!!!
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I think OP of the pic made it clear he did not know what was being transloaded eitherjoeyuboats wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 10:33 amWho is talking about the owners or customers of the RR??? The pic was posted, and we all thought that this was a new customer, or commodity being delivered to. SOMEBODY posted the pic--- so maybe now pics have to be cleared to determine what's printable, or not. If it is a big secret, then don't post the pic. If the pic gets posted, then be prepared to answer a question about it.
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Bingo.TC Man wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 8:26 amAlso, by telling us, marketing folks at other nearby railroads could be watching these threads and use that information to their advantage to try to steal the business. Just a thought.Jim_c wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 7:40 amNot only are they under no obligation, there may be an agreement to not disclose information.Saturnalia wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 12:36 am
The owners and employees of the railroads are under no obligation to provide you the information you seek.
This is a small, closely-held operation. Maybe they don’t want to share. Maybe they would if you were less demanding?
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Well-- now that the info, and the pics are PUBLIC INFO--- what is stopping another RR from going there, and actually finding out what it was. The spillage is probably still there. Someone could figure it out. There goes the confidential part, right out the window.
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I always think of these forums as looking for what trains are running, where are they running to and from, and what locomotives / interesting rolling stock are used. I personally don't care about what is being carried in the cars. There are some commodities that it may be unwise for the public to know about because the more public the information, the more risk of someone wanting to do damage can be. That damage can either be corperate damage (stealing a customer), or physical damage (damaging property / using the commodity as a weapon).
We really don't need to know what is being carried. Some loads are obvious because the cars are open, or have the load stenciled on the side of the car. Others we know because they are required by law to have a placard. Some we really don't need to know about.
We really don't need to know what is being carried. Some loads are obvious because the cars are open, or have the load stenciled on the side of the car. Others we know because they are required by law to have a placard. Some we really don't need to know about.
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If they really wanted to do that, yes they likely could do that. You also have to ask what other railroads are in the area who would want to do that? Would the carload volume be worth it to the other railroad to snoop around and find out. Remember, if its one of the local railroads, they already likely know what the load is because they have to haul it to the HNW anyway. The other local railroads could in theory sneak around and find out, but would it be worth their time / energy to do so?joeyuboats wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:01 pmWell-- now that the info, and the pics are PUBLIC INFO--- what is stopping another RR from going there, and actually finding out what it was. The spillage is probably still there. Someone could figure it out. There goes the confidential part, right out the window.
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I went through Hamilton Michigan on 08/31/2024 and I noticed the HNW is now running their 2 MP15 AC's nose to nose instead of back to back.
Note: there were 5 or 6 covered hoppers in the Keystone complex in Hamilton Michigan as well as the 4 covered hoppers at the transload yard in Fillmore Michigan.
The truck in the photo had been moved and was covered with white powder. If anybody's wondering I did not see a rolled up $100 bill nor did I see a mirror or any razor blades lying about.
Note: there were 5 or 6 covered hoppers in the Keystone complex in Hamilton Michigan as well as the 4 covered hoppers at the transload yard in Fillmore Michigan.
The truck in the photo had been moved and was covered with white powder. If anybody's wondering I did not see a rolled up $100 bill nor did I see a mirror or any razor blades lying about.
Re: Hamilton Northwestern Railroad Co.
If you want to know so badly, why the hell don't YOU go there, open up one of the cars, find out what's inside and then report back here?joeyuboats wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:01 pmWell-- now that the info, and the pics are PUBLIC INFO--- what is stopping another RR from going there, and actually finding out what it was. The spillage is probably still there. Someone could figure it out. There goes the confidential part, right out the window.
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Because, I live on the other side of the state. I thought that one of the railfans from that area might know what it was. I now know that the commodities that railcars carry seem to be more secret than the nuclear codes.
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Nuclear codes are more secretjoeyuboats wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 9:35 pmBecause, I live on the other side of the state. I thought that one of the railfans from that area might know what it was. I now know that the commodities that railcars carry seem to be more secret than the nuclear codes.
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Re: Hamilton Northwestern Railroad Co.
Just like the number of licks that it takes to get to the Tootsie-roll center of a tootsie pop, the world may never know!joeyuboats wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 9:35 pmBecause, I live on the other side of the state. I thought that one of the railfans from that area might know what it was. I now know that the commodities that railcars carry seem to be more secret than the nuclear codes.
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Please don't go climb on any equipment and open doors. We have cameras up at the West Michigan and the Hamilton Northwestern that can be watched in realtime from our cellphones.
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INER, GDLK and if someone aggressive owned the MSO or those G&W ones.chapmaja wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:04 pmIf they really wanted to do that, yes they likely could do that. You also have to ask what other railroads are in the area who would want to do that? Would the carload volume be worth it to the other railroad to snoop around and find out. Remember, if its one of the local railroads, they already likely know what the load is because they have to haul it to the HNW anyway. The other local railroads could in theory sneak around and find out, but would it be worth their time / energy to do so?joeyuboats wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:01 pmWell-- now that the info, and the pics are PUBLIC INFO--- what is stopping another RR from going there, and actually finding out what it was. The spillage is probably still there. Someone could figure it out. There goes the confidential part, right out the window.
Transload customers are easy to set up and easy to steal.
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Part of it may also depend on where it is going. Do the economics of transloading on the INER, MQT or GDLK makes sense from an economic standpoint. If the customer is in Hamilton, does it make sense to truck the load from Coldwater or Grand Rapids?LansingRailFan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 12:09 pmINER, GDLK and if someone aggressive owned the MSO or those G&W ones.chapmaja wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:04 pmIf they really wanted to do that, yes they likely could do that. You also have to ask what other railroads are in the area who would want to do that? Would the carload volume be worth it to the other railroad to snoop around and find out. Remember, if its one of the local railroads, they already likely know what the load is because they have to haul it to the HNW anyway. The other local railroads could in theory sneak around and find out, but would it be worth their time / energy to do so?joeyuboats wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:01 pmWell-- now that the info, and the pics are PUBLIC INFO--- what is stopping another RR from going there, and actually finding out what it was. The spillage is probably still there. Someone could figure it out. There goes the confidential part, right out the window.
Transload customers are easy to set up and easy to steal.
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That we are.TC Man wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 8:26 amAlso, by telling us, marketing folks at other nearby railroads could be watching these threads and use that information to their advantage to try to steal the business. Just a thought.Jim_c wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 7:40 amNot only are they under no obligation, there may be an agreement to not disclose information.Saturnalia wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 12:36 am
The owners and employees of the railroads are under no obligation to provide you the information you seek.
This is a small, closely-held operation. Maybe they don’t want to share. Maybe they would if you were less demanding?
Won’t deny I’ve gotten info on this forum and passed it on to the sales team.
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I reported what it was, and my post was deleted. I guess the moderators on in on the secrets....
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Wait a minute I read your post you didn't say what it was. Is what you did do was offer to tell us what it was for a price.
FYI: I was going to start the bidding at a $1.00 but like you said your post was deleted before I got the chance.
Is what I really wonder is why they started running their engines nose to nose instead of back to back like they were.
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Putting them nose to nose gives them an extra 25 horsepower.