CN Flat Rock sub in Carleton MI
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CN Flat Rock sub in Carleton MI
So on Thursday morning I might head out again to do some railfanning in Carleton. So I am hoping to railfan from 9 am to 12 pm. What are the odds of catching stuff on the Flat Rock sub? I know (CN M385) NS 184 I like to call it runs very early in the morning. But what about (CN M384) NS 353 what time do they normally run at? and what is the deal with the two Indiana and Ohio trains? I know my dad sees 400 in Diann MI on US 23 going to work but thats at 5:20 am. So is Indiana and Ohio train 401 a morning train too? Thats what I heard from my friend who lives near Carleton. I know for sure I will see CSX traffic because they got about 25 or so a day running. So what times are good for I&O 401 and NS 353 (CN M384).
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Re: CN Flat Rock sub in Carleton MI
On the days IORY goes to Flat Rock they usually arrived late morning and departed south around noon. At least that was their schedule several years ago. Maybe it's changed. Also, I don't know if they go to Flat Rock every day. It was around three days a week.
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Re: CN Flat Rock sub in Carleton MI
I don't know if this is still the case but at least several years ago, you might use the aid of the "Carleton Ding."
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Good luck and let us know what you see!
From viewtopic.php?f=6&t=12161&p=81371&hilit ... ing#p81371 in 2009:
Maybe it will be of help, though someone else will have to verify if the Ding still does its thing or not. About 5 years ago, the I&O was running to Flat Rock 3 days a week, up from Delta, exchange cars at Flat Rock, then back south fairly quickly. Not sure if this is current practice anymore. I don't know about CN traffic. I always used to love getting CSX traffic on the old C&O but the goldmine in Carleton was always a catch on the former DT&I.The tell tale ding is something Mike and I have heard old timers talk about while railfanning down in Carelton once or twice. When the dispatcher lines up a move on the CN Flat Rock Sub, the crossing at Monroe St. for eastbound auto traffic at the CN (and perhaps the crossing protection for westbound auto traffic, too), give one "ding," or chime now on the newer pretend bells. I've thought I've heard it in the past, but this day I verified it, standing right in front of Tiffany's and hearing it go off, just one chime, then walking over to the track and seeing the CN just peeking over the horizon from Flat Rock Yard. The old timer I remember told us he thought it was some kind of carry over from when the tower was in operation; when the tower operator lined up a move on the old DT&I, something near the diamond would ding for some reason, and the crossing protection was wired in, perhaps by mistake.
Good luck and let us know what you see!
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Re: CN Flat Rock sub in Carleton MI
The ding could be a dong, but I could be wrong. These highly technical terms are overwhelming my understanding of modern technical advances.
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Re: CN Flat Rock sub in Carleton MI
So the I&O is not daily?
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Re: CN Flat Rock sub in Carleton MI
No, usually just Monday-Wednesday-Friday unless something has changed pretty recently.CSXBOY wrote:So the I&O is not daily?
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Re: CN Flat Rock sub in Carleton MI
Actually, they have been running occasional Saturday and even Sunday turns to The Rock as well.SD80MAC wrote:No, usually just Monday-Wednesday-Friday unless something has changed pretty recently.CSXBOY wrote:So the I&O is not daily?
Re: CN Flat Rock sub in Carleton MI
Tuesday-Thursday-Saturday is the general operating plan for the DSWI to go to Flat Rock.
Neither of the Delta jobs work on Sunday and there is no extra board right now, so no Sunday runs.TrainWatcher wrote:Actually, they have been running occasional Saturday and even Sunday turns to The Rock as well.
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Re: CN Flat Rock sub in Carleton MI
The CN Train is now CN L585 both ways, and almost always has NS power on it. The SB runs in the early morning (unless there are delays) and the NB runs up in the late morning to mid-day timeframe.
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Re: CN Flat Rock sub in Carleton MI
Whenever the I&O passes by the diamond in Carleton Michigan, be on the lookout for flats loaded with truck frames going south to the Navistar Plant in Springfield Ohio, which starts sometime this year...Too bad you won't get to the see the boxcars with truck cab shells in them, those will come from St Louis and will come the other way to Springfield.
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